Blade and Soul

[Fontes]

New MMO from NC Soft, creators of Lineage 2, Guild Wars, and the upcoming Aion...

Screens and Art:
www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=181388&category=104&subcategory=

Trailer:
news.curse.com/details/12334/

Ok, guys, I'm sorry to bring bad news to you, but... It'll either suck, or it'll have a monthly fee. Why? Because I wanna play this bastard, and Murphy Laws just happen to FUCKIN' LOVE ME!!! -__-

[kenshi]

THIS HAS MADE MY FUCKING DAY =O

If its p2p so be it >.> I shall so fucking play this >.< OMG

[Fontes]

if it's P2P, I'll leave it... If it's like Guild Wars, on which you pay for the game disk ONLY, then fine by me.

I'm against monthly fees, on online gaming. However...

There are rumors that this will also come in on the PS3, and on a few MMORPG sites, like "mmosite.com", it's listed as Free to Play, as is Guild Wars.

So... there might be hope! *__*

[kenshi]

If that is the case then even better >.> if its P2P yeah, I don't like the idea of buying the crap then paying more to play it... but jeez if this is as playable as it looks >.> I won't really give a damn man, I mean jeez talk about taking a step in the right direction for once

[Adrian Hanlon]

There's really nothing wrong with P2P games.

MMO's are expensive as hell to maintain, think about all those mainframes running all those servers, all the time. Overhead alone has to be through the roof. Add in general maintenance, upkeep, and not to mention all the manpower behind making sure it happens, as well as giving the player fresh new content as much as possible and keeping everything smooth, and I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to keep that running.

NCSoft has always had really good business models with their games. Whether it's a 'buy the game and every expansion and your good' with Guild Wars, or 'pay a monthly fee and that's it' with City Of Heroes/Villains, and I'd expect this one to do something right. NCSoft's MMOs are the only ones I'll try these days, usually.

EDIT: As far as this game goes, all the pictures were too much boob, not enough substance, which worries me as far as the actual game will turn out, if THAT'S what they're trying to showcase. The trailer seemed interesting at first, but it's too long and failed to hold my attention. I'll reserve my final judgment on this for later, though, cuz like I said, NCSoft games usually catch my attention.

[Fontes]

Well... After a more detailed look at the video, it seems like the mechanics will be "Skill-hotkey mashing", but with prettier animations. It doesn't seem to be an actual defense, nor do the characters seem to dodge stuff.

If you notice, there's a part of the video when a girl is fighting a giant beast, and she walks away from an attack... still, there's a damage number popping out of her. And that means... No automatic dodging.

Sure, you can use the LAG argument, but keep in mind one thing. This is still in development. There's not enough people playing that thing in order for it to get laggy.

Adrian Hanlon:
Yes, servers aren't kept for free, but there are other ways to get cash, other than the annoying monthly fee. They got plenty of profit with Guild Wars, and that one didn't had a monthly fee. Plus, there's also the "bonus payable content" method. As long as they don't sell any overpowered items, on that cash shop.

[Adrian Hanlon]

They got money on guild wars by always selling the game for just a little more than it was really worth, and constantly putting out expansions.

For CoH, you can get the Good vs. Evil edition that gives you everything you need to play and then some for a base $20 US bucks, and even then it's usually on sale or being clearance'd out somewhere. Then all you hafta pay is the monthly fee and you don't have to pay for another expansion ever after that.

As far as the microtransactions thing, that stuff bugs me, because almost every single MMO that's advertised as being "TOTALLY FREE!" usually relies on those as income, which means if you want to be good, you need to actually buy stuff. It's a lot more dishonest, in my opinion, than just saying "Hey, pay this monthly fee and everythign will be super."

But y'know, the fee vs. no fee argument will constantly be held. Most people can make 15 bucks working for 2 hours, it's basically pocket change. And if you're too young to work, than your mommy can pay your monthly fee.

And even past that, if you really are against monthly fees, you can always buy timecards.

But some people will say it's 'not right' or 'its not fair' to have to pay a fee to play a game. Personally, I don't understand that, and have never heard a good reason to believe so. But that's a popular opinion, and apparently yours, and I respect that.

[kenshi]

OBJECTION! There is a moral issue with paying for something you paid for! Its however logical that your actually paying for the right to access something, then morality comes in with the fact you had to pay for the game in the first place. Its absolute bullshit, either there should be a monthly fee for them to leech my wallet or make me pay once.

Either way.

To much boob? The hell were you looking at?! Most of that was actual in game footage, what more could you ask for?

Lastly, most of NCsoft games have been pretty god awful as far as it goes.

Lin2 = Boring ass grind fest with absolutely no real substance to the game play other than getting the same crap everyone else has and to play some damned boring PvP (even wow was better at pvp and lets face it... WoW is bottom of the bin as far as almost everything goes.)

CoH/V = Yet again a sleepy grinder again hardly worth keeping my attention when being a hero involves taking out pretty much the same npc in different costumes with various health bars. Sub par pvp once again, then again I would say the only redeeming feature of this game is its interesting avatar making method, that I give props too, the rest of the game? Been there played better.

Now that we have laughed at playNC's flagships, we move to this, which looks like its taking MMO to the next level, which god knows we haven't seen till Asheron's call, which to this day is better than anything fucking out there in every way other than graphics. If you haven't played it, then you clearly haven't come to expect the same quality that I have.

Why? Because I have an issue when they call kill X get Y a quest as opposed to running around into a dun for this thing and actually put it together with other actions and npc's to emulate a real quest. Perhaps the fact that the world has lore, maybe that it actually changes with time and progresses, hell, better yet, you don't have zillions of people wearing the same end game crap! You can make your own look and not sacrificing effectiveness, what a concept =O

Needless to say, the fact that this game is actually trying to take Beijing opera physics into count and adding all the martial art movie quirks in, if it has a good system that actually gives quests, it defiantly will be worth it. If it turns out to be all fluff and just happen to be another NC piece of crap, then that just sucks and it will be nothing more than over hype, but damn, if your gonna bang on it, and then say they have good models for there games... please, go hunt down asheron, pay and play for about 2 months, trust me, anything NC has spewed out will be brought to the light that its all worse than even the audacity that is WoW.

Now I could rant on, but I won't bother, and aside, if you can't track Asheron if you would even bother then there is always the almost as good Anarchy online.

[Fontes]

Well... Even if a game is more expensive on retail, there's no denyal that it's still more comfortable than paying the same cash, divided into monthly fees.

And the microtransactions thing, like I said, it's ok if they only sell "for fun" items, like funny suits, or a re-usable potion, which lasts for, let's say, 5 days, or something... I don't think stuff like this will make a player better than any other. Still, truth be told, even if the funny suits don't give any stats, they'll make a lot of players jellous...

*Remembers Flyff* ... yup. A lot of people would be jellous. XD

[Adrian Hanlon]

Purchase of Game = You Pay to own a copy of the game software, and the initial client.

Monthly Fee = You Pay for continued, dedicated service, and, hopefully, free patches that will only further enrich your gaming experience.

Oh, and I could defend CoX until the end of time with you, but I'm about to take my girlfriend out to the movies, so maybe another time.

[Fontes]

Actually, there are games which exist to suck your wallet. Like...

WoW: You pay the game, which isn't exactly 20$ (might be NOW...), the expantions, and you pay a monthly fee.

Final Fantasy XI: You pay the game, expantions, monthly fee... And they had the BALLS to charge you, if you want an extra character slot! And you start with only one slot!

So... DAMN, bunch of money-suckers! Plus, those games suck! -__-

[kenshi]

Lol I like an argument =D

Let me correct you, because you clearly don't get it, they don't give two shits if you have there software, what they make you pay for in fact is that little code they slip in the box. The software? HAH! You can download that right off there site with there lovely free trial.

Monthly fee, logical to keep the server going, yeah, great. Yet for some reason games can also survive off a cash shop, which means some people will get perks others don't but everyone can play. The monthly fee a system that is so greed inspired its not even funny and generally its not required, because if you put in an item shop people will buy from it. People are prone to be better than everyone else, at least that is what they think the items in there will do. So, use it, people are easily manipulated into buying, problem solved on server funds.

And lemme tell you, after playing CoX for about 3 years, I can tell you that no matter how much you argue, I can keep you going until your out of ammo and still prove its nothing but a shitty grind =3

[Adrian Hanlon]

Like I said, I really don't care to argue with you, but I do have to point out how amusing it is to me that the reason you despise monthly fees is because it's nothing but an exercise in greed, and yet you say the cash shop is a better plan because its an exercise in manipulating the playerbase because 'they need these items' to be better than everyone.

So... basically everyone's just a big asshole in this world.

[kenshi]

Lol, damn, don't share my love of argument eh? poo.

Either way, if your gonna try and use what I say against me remember, previously I said its only immoral and based upon greed if you have to pay for the game then pay a fee.

HOWEVER! If you pay for the game access (the key) and then the game is supported via a shop, that is different as its not mandatory to use it. Greed inspired yes, optional yes. Thus, it doesn't bother me what so ever because it then leaves me nice useful things to waste my money on if I so desire, but it also feeds the bill =D

BOOYAH!

[Adrian Hanlon]

You really do like to argue. Even to the point where you're taking things I said in non-argument and making them argumentative points.

Now stop booyahing

I just think it's funny that you support one form of immorality (manipulation) but denigrate another (pure greed).