Territory System Idea

[Mr. Kaar]

[4/3/2013 6:40:38 PM] Leon Sudeki: Okay
[4/3/2013 6:40:40 PM] Leon Sudeki: So
[4/3/2013 6:40:43 PM] Leon Sudeki: Here is the system
[4/3/2013 6:40:57 PM] Megan Unrau: do i add Tengu to that (will be ten as soon as I train up the three new members, but right now, it stands at seven) or are they included in the NPC count/
[4/3/2013 6:41:11 PM] Leon Sudeki: npc count
[4/3/2013 6:41:17 PM] Megan Unrau: makes more sense
[4/3/2013 6:41:50 PM] Leon Sudeki: So here is the idea, to limit the work for staff and players I'ma build a territory system.
[4/3/2013 6:41:55 PM] Leon Sudeki: With a new style of income
[4/3/2013 6:42:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: Every month you may try to claim new territory
[4/3/2013 6:42:22 PM] Leon Sudeki: You may not build a stronghold in the same month you claim the territory
[4/3/2013 6:42:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: A stronghold gives you +30 Resources
[4/3/2013 6:43:11 PM] Leon Sudeki: For every Army NPC, and PNPC's that are members of said gang is -1 resource
[4/3/2013 6:43:28 PM] Leon Sudeki: The crows have five territories, and four strongholds
[4/3/2013 6:43:37 PM] Leon Sudeki: They get +120 resources
[4/3/2013 6:44:00 PM] Leon Sudeki: With 111 gang members to feed it is deducted from the resources leaving +9.
[4/3/2013 6:44:20 PM] Leon Sudeki: Every week if it hasn;t changed this exact same charge happens.
[4/3/2013 6:45:00 PM] Leon Sudeki: A single member from the crows must post in the new gang thread to claim the new income, or suffer a percentage penalty for every day your late until you simply get nothing.
[4/3/2013 6:45:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: while still having to spend that week
[4/3/2013 6:45:42 PM] Leon Sudeki: Every gang has a territory rating.
[4/3/2013 6:45:59 PM] Leon Sudeki: From very poor to Filthy Rich
[4/3/2013 6:46:25 PM] Leon Sudeki: Very Poor, Poor, Fine, Good, Great, Welthy, Filthy Rich
[4/3/2013 6:46:53 PM] Leon Sudeki: For every +10 resources your gang has collected and maintains without spending you go up a rating
[4/3/2013 6:48:37 PM] Leon Sudeki: You can spend resources on the soon to be new territory store to get barricades, equipment, trade carriages, strongholds so on and so forth
[4/3/2013 6:49:46 PM] Leon Sudeki: Comments so far?


Moving on to part two of the system
[4/3/2013 6:55:24 PM] Leon Sudeki: Fame
[4/3/2013 6:55:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: Fame will act as how the civilian populace of the areas you control like you
[4/3/2013 6:57:02 PM] Leon Sudeki: You gain Fame as a one time reward every time you meet one of the requirements.
[4/3/2013 6:57:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: For every +10 Fame your gang gets the different levels of trust your civilian populace will have
[4/3/2013 6:57:44 PM] Leon Sudeki: From disloyal, to strongly loyal
[4/3/2013 6:58:09 PM] Leon Sudeki: If they are disloyal they will not help you, will not defend you and will not resist barker.
[4/3/2013 6:58:24 PM] Van: Can rogues be excluded from this because we have no civilians and no intwnt to expand? i just... systems confuse me
[4/3/2013 6:58:33 PM] Van: Intent*
[4/3/2013 6:58:42 PM] Leon Sudeki: If they are strongly loyal they will resist barker in many ways, help you defend the territory, hide you if your running, join you on an assault
[4/3/2013 6:58:44 PM] Leon Sudeki: Thats fine van
[4/3/2013 6:59:01 PM] Van: Thank yew
[4/3/2013 6:59:19 PM] Leon Sudeki: They may even find spies, and sabatage barker trade routes
[4/3/2013 6:59:35 PM] Leon Sudeki: bring you intel and other such, may even get your more resources
[4/3/2013 7:00:28 PM] Leon Sudeki: whatcha think?
[4/3/2013 7:00:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: Oh almost forgot
[4/3/2013 7:00:49 PM] Leon Sudeki: Fame also acts like aggro
[4/3/2013 7:01:38 PM] Leon Sudeki: The more fame you have the more likely Barker is to try and attack you
[4/3/2013 7:02:31 PM] Leon Sudeki: Fame will be monitored and awarded durring the events and such


[4/3/2013 7:07:38 PM] Leon Sudeki: Alright so does anyone have some addetives or ideas?
[4/3/2013 7:07:47 PM] Van: Then why did he tell me hed be online... mikey...
[4/3/2013 7:08:34 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: What about side things like Kiyr's grove project? And the Crows' gardens? Will those just be physical "proof" of stronghold resources?
[4/3/2013 7:09:37 PM] Leon Sudeki: No, see this will be in the territory shops.
[4/3/2013 7:09:45 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Was actually gonna ask a mod for a fun quest toget moar seeds. 'Cause otherwise it just feels cheap
[4/3/2013 7:09:48 PM] Leon Sudeki: You can buy resource generating stuff
[4/3/2013 7:10:49 PM] Leon Sudeki: with resources
[4/3/2013 7:11:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: Its possable to even do it in a quest
[4/3/2013 7:11:08 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Hmm.
[4/3/2013 7:11:51 PM] Megan Unrau: what about naturally attained resources, such as fishing stuff, salvage of boats or fishing vessels?
[4/3/2013 7:12:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: You mean that we would regularly award? Or the stuff that people already have like the crows fishing stuff?
[4/3/2013 7:12:59 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: FML. MY MUSHROOMS ARE EFFING FROZEN.
[4/3/2013 7:13:57 PM] Megan Unrau: the latter; like stuff you could point at and be like "that is a thing we have"
[4/3/2013 7:14:03 PM] Megan Unrau: "because it was here when we got here'
[4/3/2013 7:14:36 PM] Leon Sudeki: It would be difficult to explain its use, might just be a more RP element as said before "Proof" of gained resources
[4/3/2013 7:15:05 PM] Megan Unrau: -nodnod-
[4/3/2013 7:21:02 PM] Megan Unrau: i love the idea of fame. And paying for resources makes perfect sense
[4/3/2013 7:21:38 PM] Megan Unrau: ...though I MUST ask, because there were side projects i had going as well, for attaining resources to make vodka and grow potatoes
[4/3/2013 7:22:39 PM] Leon Sudeki: I think that is as well more of an RP element
[4/3/2013 7:23:12 PM] Megan Unrau: >.> hmmm yesssss


I suffer from an accute Lack of Gravitas.
[4/3/2013 9:35:59 PM] KiHyun Kim: Uh...
[4/3/2013 9:36:13 PM] KiHyun Kim: What about people who aren't in gangs that wouldn't necessarily have the "resource" xp-thing?
[4/3/2013 9:36:28 PM] KiHyun Kim: Or would this not apply to them? o_0
[4/3/2013 9:36:31 PM] Leon Sudeki: It wouldn't apply
[4/3/2013 9:36:51 PM] Megan Unrau: as a rep of crows, it could apply if you want it to
[4/3/2013 9:36:57 PM] Leon Sudeki: indeed
[4/3/2013 9:37:09 PM] KiHyun Kim: Mmm, Mitsuki isn't rep for Crows, she's rep for Del
[4/3/2013 9:37:26 PM] KiHyun Kim: ...who reps Crows
[4/3/2013 9:37:31 PM] Megan Unrau: yes
[4/3/2013 9:37:33 PM] KiHyun Kim: .......so indirectly..I guess LOL
[4/3/2013 9:38:28 PM] KiHyun Kim: But yeah, I mean- I like it! And I think if it'll help decrease the amount of work for staff, go for it
[4/3/2013 9:38:29 PM] Leon Sudeki: Hmmm, well the fame thing still might be viable for Mitsuki
[4/3/2013 9:38:51 PM] Leon Sudeki: Since she is helping like every faction
[4/3/2013 9:39:05 PM] KiHyun Kim: LOL haha yeah that I understand
[4/3/2013 9:39:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: The fame could effect Mitsuki with civilian aid if she gets in trouble
[4/3/2013 9:39:14 PM] KiHyun Kim: Does this apply to The Children as well?
[4/3/2013 9:39:36 PM] Leon Sudeki: Mmm, I'm not sure, I'd have to talk to Mikey about it
[4/3/2013 9:39:41 PM] KiHyun Kim: Uh- so then does this mean the fame thing would affect her according to what territory she's in??
[4/3/2013 9:40:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: Mmm, I'd think so.
[4/3/2013 9:40:18 PM] KiHyun Kim: Cooooool
[4/3/2013 9:40:59 PM] Leon Sudeki: Anyone have added ideas?
[4/3/2013 9:41:13 PM] Greg: TAG CAEL AND VAN
[4/3/2013 9:46:03 PM] Van: Aw yisss
[4/3/2013 9:46:24 PM] Greg: right now it seems like adding new members to a gang is a big ordeal, all with all the monthyl recalculations of troops and territories
[4/3/2013 9:47:36 PM] Megan Unrau: tanya have you heard back from Corey yet?
[4/3/2013 9:47:40 PM] Greg: also i feel like there should be more ways to increase fame than to just increase wealth
[4/3/2013 9:47:58 PM] I suffer from an accute Lack of Gravitas.: Seperate Events to gain Fame!

[4/3/2013 9:52:03 PM] Leon Sudeki: There are more ways to get fame.
[4/3/2013 9:52:16 PM] Leon Sudeki: I dont know them all yet, or have them planned so one example was all I gave
[4/3/2013 9:52:44 PM] Leon Sudeki: Is the big ordeal for gangs to add new members good, or bad?
[4/3/2013 9:53:06 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Can be bad.
[4/3/2013 9:53:12 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Can be good.
[4/3/2013 9:53:23 PM] Leon Sudeki: So lets break it into pros and cons.
[4/3/2013 9:53:27 PM] Leon Sudeki: Anyone want to start Cons?
[4/3/2013 9:53:39 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: But when gangs scoop up new members left and right (Dragons XD) it's kinda...doesn't look like a feasible idea, all the time.
[4/3/2013 9:53:53 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Unless you want a dedicated staff/member to tally and total.
[4/3/2013 9:54:20 PM] Greg: and, like Crows, if one member is in charge of updating the gang page, and that member up and leaves
[4/3/2013 9:55:20 PM] Greg: but more to the point, adding new members increases the gang npcs that the gang is allotted
[4/3/2013 9:56:10 PM] Greg: so i feel like it would limit the introduction of new players if we had a negative incentive for going "over limit"
[4/3/2013 9:56:22 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Mmm, so it's not just +1 for every new member, it's +1 +?.
[4/3/2013 9:56:22 PM] Greg: or maybe im interpreting it wrong
[4/3/2013 9:57:10 PM] Leon Sudeki: You take the base Cha of the new member devide it by 3 and thats the NPC's they bring in
[4/3/2013 9:59:07 PM] Leon Sudeki: Hmm... Alright so
Cons:
Hard to introduce new members
Need someone willing to tally/keep count.
[4/3/2013 9:59:09 PM] Leon Sudeki: Right?
[4/3/2013 9:59:52 PM] Greg: correct
[4/3/2013 10:00:00 PM] Leon Sudeki: kay how about Pros?
[4/3/2013 10:00:52 PM] Greg: introduces an actual system of how and when espionage is a possibility, or how much your territory likes you
[4/3/2013 10:01:06 PM] Greg: fixes the endless resources conundrum
[4/3/2013 10:01:25 PM] I suffer from an accute Lack of Gravitas.: ^
[4/3/2013 10:01:26 PM] I suffer from an accute Lack of Gravitas.: This
[4/3/2013 10:01:29 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: Opens new questing ops, depending on the player.
[4/3/2013 10:01:43 PM | Edited 10:01:54 PM] Dusk Upon Eternity: (Con: requires stable GM base for quest-driven threads.)

[4/3/2013 10:08:03 PM] Leon Sudeki: So how do we get around the Con of hard to introduce new people?
[4/3/2013 10:08:12 PM] Leon Sudeki: We still need to do some sort of penalty...
[4/3/2013 10:08:16 PM] Leon Sudeki: Maybe a penalty to fame?
[4/3/2013 10:08:49 PM] Leon Sudeki: Say you spend more resources than you earn due to too many members of the gang? Then you simply get 0, and lose fame?
[4/3/2013 10:09:56 PM] Greg: i guess that would work, ICly the gang seems too controlling by having an overpopulace of members and they lose morale in the territory??
[4/3/2013 10:10:08 PM] Leon Sudeki: pretty much the idea
[4/3/2013 10:13:49 PM] I suffer from an accute Lack of Gravitas.: Makes sense to me
[4/3/2013 10:14:18 PM] Leon Sudeki: Alright I'll need to take note of that somewhere
[4/3/2013 10:16:08 PM] Leon Sudeki: Alright everybody, sleep on it, if yall think of anything let me know. Tomorrow or the day after when I have time I'll pop online and post up everything in the OoC for a vote and then we'll move from there.


Its alittle late for this as I've been busy, but whatcha guys think? Good? Bad? Ugly? Don't care cause you dont do systems?

Either way I need to see if this is okay to implement.

[David B.]

From what i have seen, it looks good. I'd like to take the basic idea and reply to this thread later with a summary, as well as the pros and cons you have listed to give a sort of "layout", if thats okay. I can get it done and up tomorrow night.

[Mr. Kaar]

>.> No one has any input besides David and those in the skype chat?

[Jack]

• Can you have more than one stronghold per territory?
  
• Will there be equal intensives for both those gangs who are large (dragons or crows) to the medium (DV) and the very small (rouges).
  
  • Will rouges benefit from expanding just as much as the other gangs or does being small offer it's own tree to develop?
  
  
• What about gangs which are somewhat in between? DV operates in the shadows but has a public presence in a "neutral territory" in that of the LA trading company and Grey Mercenary Corps.
  
• Perks are a good one to look at. Thinking about something I'm pretty sure all of us are familiar. A game of thrones. Each region or faction have their natural perks. Grey Joys, have a very strong fleet and are good raiders. Northmen have their heavy Calvary and are hardy fighters. Tyrell's are very wealthy, have a huge population and plenty of food.
  
  • Someone like Jack O'Connor who has an affinity to speed, the wolves and darkness may have a raiding perk. To troops trained in his territory.
    
  • Mathew on the other hand has the color affinity of Green and is connected to earth. His territories may have increased harvests (food count) as well as a strong defense and superior buildings.
    
  • Delilah (who I don't know much about sorry) may have the perk of engineering. I saw the image of her as a mechanic and I know Marcus is a bit it of a diesel junky also so maybe they have superior weapons and other creations of war produced in their territories?
    
  
  
  
• Every territory has it's pros and cons. Large territories require more "law and order". Territories must be policed therefore a ratio of territory size: stronghold : garrison must be maintained. The larger a territory is the larger the possibility of income but so it the overhead costs.
  
  
• Strongholds should degrade if they are not maintained. Giving leaders the option of abandoning strongholds if the costs to run/maintain are too hire.
  
  
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