Items From 774

[Falenor Xante]

So I was thinking about this and it seems to me like a lot of people have forgotten that bringing your items across was a good will gesture in the first place. This board doesn't have any obligation to let you transfer your stuff across, it does it though to encourage people to join knowing that they can bring something across.

I think that if you do want to bring things across, you should accept that maybe things might have to be changed for the sake of balance. If the board really wanted, it could take away all your items but the staff let you have them.

I'm not saying we should just nerf everything to the ground, just remember that your items etc are a privilege, not a right.

[Mischa Badoer]

Yeah but the point is...this was handled in a shitty way.

I could care less about the stupid Items. If I cared for stats I would be trying to get the 80 EXP i earned for Mischa back...I joined classes with her and asked not to get rewards... I really dont care... I am just pissed no one asked us if we could just mod our items and some how make them weaker or anything. Instead this was put up without any confrontation with the three of us and was made to vote against what we had. Our items are no different from others we just put more work into them so they look stronger.

[Mathew Amtrum]

Alright I am going to make a few points here and I am going to try and remain as unbiased as possible here.

First off I want to reiterate what Leon said.

The main issue is the powers. The stat boosts are fine.

The increase in stats are not the problem. The problem is that there have been numerous complaints about how some of the powers are unfair to other players.

Secondly, I will agree that the first mention of this being a public thread is probably not the best way to handle it. And I can understand why you might feel attacked by it. I can only say that I know I have no intention of attacking any of you, and I am positive that attacking you was not Leon's intent. This is simply a matter that has been of concern and he likely wanted to get the site as a wholes feedback on it.

Thirdly, I can see both parts of the argument. Honestly I can. I can see how some of these items seem very much over powered and I know I would never have approved them. However I can also see where it feels unfair to have something only to have it taken away, and to have it discussed publicly. Nobody wants to feel like one side is getting preferential treatment, or to have something that they have worked long and hard taken away. I ask that no matter what side you are on in this issue that you try to put your personal feelings aside and try to look at this issue as a potential problem for the board.

Like with what Vey said earlier when I first came to the board I was allowed to bring one item with me. I know I was specifically told I could only bring one, otherwise I would have brought all of my hard earned quest items and purchased items.. I'm not sure when this policy has changed, but the fact that you can bring more than one item, even if they have to be unlocked shows that the 259 staff are trying to be accommodating to transfers, and that they appreciate the hard work you put in to your characters.

Now going to what Falenor stated though I do agree with him. Transferring is a privilege and not a right. It is one of the things that makes this community so tight knit as I have never been on a non Xin board that allowed transfered characters. So if the staff and members do decide that a revamp is necessary I think that it is only fair to work with them instead of arguing about it being unfair because of all the work you put in to another board to get those items. While the staff does appreciate the work you put in to your characters in the end they need to make sure that the site is balanced and fun for the majority of the members.

When it comes to nerfing all transfer items ever. I think that sounds more like a defensive argument as not all transfer items are over powered. I hardly think that the Kris is as broken as some of the items on the site, transfered or created here. And nerfing that item out of spite to me seems unfair.

Our items are no different from others we just put more work into them so they look stronger.

I strongly disagree with that comment. I will use my Earth Dragon coat as an example. Something that provides a simple X2 modifier depending on if it is worn or not. To first obtain it I had to go through months of character developing plot on a site that helped to take down one of the three main gangs on the site, as well as weaken another to strengthen the gang I belonged too. When it was modified my character was locked up for an IRL year in a small subboard where I was unable to post outside of it while I waited for the main story to progress.

To state that you put more work in to your items or characters then others is taking a very narrow view of the situation and it only risks making you look defensive which in turn could weaken your stance and how people feel toward your stance. Now I'm sure you didn't mean it that way at all, but I still think that saying one group put more work in to their characters than another group is an unfair statement.

In conclusion, I can see both sides of the argument here. I have my own opinions on the matter, but I ask that both sides try to keep an open mind and take in the other sides perspective on this matter. Since it was brought out in to the open for discussing the best course is to discuss it like adults and try to reach a compromise that can work for most if not all of the board.

~Mathew Amtrum/Ryan~

[Mischa Badoer]

About the powers.

You obviously didn't see what I said about my side of the powers. No one came to us to complain about our items. I would have hands down thought of a way to weaken our powers.. hell if someone asked me nicely I would have destroyed the whole damn item without compensation. And I don't give a shit if I look defensive for my own Items I have a fucking right. Im one out of three who are getting attacked.. a X2 multiplier is strong.... i have SEVERAL items to make me strong not just one. I think this was handled horribly and all that jazz and yes.. transferring items is a privilege but if you don't like my fucking items then don't accept them. I am the most laid back person ever but lately this board has been driving me insane. Lloyd me and megan can see your guys side... that is why I'm saying that if leon came to us and asked us to change our powers we would have came to an acceptance. Now This is ridiculous and simply put I'm done with this board.

Peace.


Alexis Green, Donovan Green, Olivia Green, Mischa Badoer.

Sorry for any plot or threads I am in.

[Veyugan ~*]

Nov 21, 2010 19:58:21 GMT -8 Mathew Amtrum said:

I know I was specifically told I could only bring one, otherwise I would have brought all of my hard earned quest items and purchased items..

*Wishes he still had the boots of flame.*

[Vetis]

Nov 21, 2010 20:12:28 GMT -8 Mischa Badoer said:

About the powers.

You obviously didn't see what I said about my side of the powers. No one came to us to complain about our items. I would have hands down thought of a way to weaken our powers.. hell if someone asked me nicely I would have destroyed the whole damn item without compensation. And I don't give a shit if I look defensive for my own Items I have a fucking right. Im one out of three who are getting attacked.. a X2 multiplier is strong.... i have SEVERAL items to make me strong not just one. I think this was handled horribly and all that jazz and yes.. transferring items is a privilege but if you don't like my fucking items then don't accept them. I am the most laid back person ever but lately this board has been driving me insane. Lloyd me and megan can see your guys side... that is why I'm saying that if leon came to us and asked us to change our powers we would have came to an acceptance. Now This is ridiculous and simply put I'm done with this board.

Peace.


Alexis Green, Donovan Green, Olivia Green, Mischa Badoer.

Sorry for any plot or threads I am in.

Love ya and I will miss ya Robbie so lets keep in touch and hopefully everything will work out in our new endevour.

[Gabriel Seran]

Yeah so. Going to make short and sweet. Actually thats probably a lie.

Its not just one thing that has set me off, and by talking to Robbie its much of the same sentiments. This is becoming a tiresome task of battling egos so it seems. And as such I'd like to introduce a history lesson. For one this was back a few years so my memory recalls, but 259 collapsed, the details I'm sketchy on because at the time I was a noob. 42 was made in the interests of the rpers or so was the pitch. And just as there I feel has been mirrored here. People whinning over something so insignificant, items, stats. What do they even matter when the majority of rpers here are either a mixture of "Oh godly powerful" or Statless, or hell even just enjoying themselves. What happened to the days when this was fun? Or was it ever? I can't even remember now.

Since as far as I can recall as an Rper I've been in constant fights over little things. On 42 my stance is as it is here, allow what they've earned. Compromise is suggested but take it up with the Rper 1 to 1 not in the open forum where they feel helpless. Empower them with their rights.

A friend of mine said, "We need to not be elitist."

That was the suggestion of the new direction of the board. But from what I see we've taken steps in the complete opposite direction. Rather than praising and rewarding good quality and creativity all I've seen is new restrictions and more lobbying moves out of character to regulate things to a point you can't move for but a breath. When the banner says, "The only Restriction is Gravity." Seems but a further and further reality.

I'm not a fan of bitchy whinners, I've dealt with such much of my RP career and if thats the future of this board I'm with Robbie and am peacing out. 3 years I've put into this board; all the sentimental crap I had to go through. I took bullets for some of you here and yet now I feel insulted and spit on. I don't mean to press this into further controversy but thats just my way I suppose. Leon, you and I spoke about 774 from the moment I created it, you even joined it for a time and now when I read that you say anyone can make a board for money it insults me. I've been on your staff before, even stepped down for the sake of face, I spent months picking up the slack of others here to keep the board running and this is just another slap to the face.

Like I said before its not just one thing its a compilation of many.

So I'm sorry outrightly so to Mikey mainly, you dragged me here my Junior year. Never actually got to Rp with you outright due to all this shit here and there. I would really enjoy it if we get the opportunity more than anything. I really enjoyed my time here despite the off times, the wasted time.

Leon; Sorry for being an outright justice fag. I know where your morals lie and what you have intended for this board both with talking with you and Mikey. So I hope you don't hate me for this.

Otherwise... I'm Done.. Peace.

Ryan/Gabriel Seran/Jaus Valentine/Questies!

[Kenin Katashi]

My opinion is this, the same complaints about how this was handled by staff could be made toward the complaints themselves, you could have talked to staff elsewhere about your complaints. Another is that you should understand that staff has to cater to every complaint to some extent, don't freak out or else it seems petty. If your items weren't nerfed I'm sure none of the people who complained would quit the board over it.

That said I only dislike two abilities because I feel one is completely god modding and the other awards stats to people who didn't earn them. I never made a formal complaint to staff but I feel those two should be nerfed, I haven't looked into other 774 items to form an opinion on them. I think I can safely say I side with the argument that nobody worked harder for their items than anyone else, to assume so is to assume you know everything about everyone and nobody here does.

I also haven't seen anyone post anything attacking the owners of these items most seem understanding, so I don't get the fuss and over dramatized goodbyes, I think you should just have a cup of tea, sleep on it, and come back when you have a sound mind before resorting to quitting.

[Veyugan ~*]

Later in the night, a cool draft wafted over Long Beach, enveloping all that happened to be out in the late night chill. This draft seemed nothing out of the ordinary, however it soon crept through cracks and crevices - reaching every person within the city. It brought on a feeling of drowziness at first, but then began to affect all those exposed with much more severity. Sleep came peacefully and quickly to all, and a deep sleep it would be.

When the people began to wake from their rather strange slumber, they would realize all of their items were gone. They would wonder where they went for a while, but soon the memory of the items would depart from the minds of their once-upon-a-time owners.

And Long Beach lived happily ever after.

~* Just trying to add a little laugh >.>

[Mr. Kaar]

Alrighy, so this deteriorated into something unnecessary.

This was NOT a discussion on who is right and who is wrong.

Let me correct the stance of this poll before it gets even more ego filled than it already is.

I personally have no real opinion on these items, because all I have to go on is a few people bitching about these items. I've looked over only a few of them, hell I dont even check your items when you transfer them, I make you do all that formal crap, to shut people up so you can keep your items.

THIS discusion is to hear the opinions on these items from the players, the people who deal with your items, and the people who RP with your items. I have very little doubt that if you hadn't come out and said "Oh, there is only three of us" that anyone would of known that besides the three of you.

Now that I have a few opinions, no matter the outcome of the poll we would end up working each item case by case.

I am sorry anyone feels attacked because of my lack of time, interest in reading your items, or experience in rping with you to find out first hand, I have been argueing YOUR side since your items started being used, I've been putting up with it, and putting it to the side to focus on other things because to me? This isn't a big deal, its a few word changes in your item list.

And everyone else, I dont care about your opinions on my policy if this isn't a discussion about my policy, its about these items, I want your opinion on the specifics of their items, I appreciate your trying to defend my stance, or defending your own item, I dont want to hear about cost of the items, or their stat bonuses, how do you feel about these items?

Can we stay on that subject?

[Mr. Kaar]

Nov 21, 2010 21:03:13 GMT -8 Kenin Katashi said:

My opinion is this, the same complaints about how this was handled by staff could be made toward the complaints themselves, you could have talked to staff elsewhere about your complaints. Another is that you should understand that staff has to cater to every complaint to some extent, don't freak out or else it seems petty. If your items weren't nerfed I'm sure none of the people who complained would quit the board over it.

That said I only dislike two abilities because I feel one is completely god modding and the other awards stats to people who didn't earn them. I never made a formal complaint to staff but I feel those two should be nerfed, I haven't looked into other 774 items to form an opinion on them. I think I can safely say I side with the argument that nobody worked harder for their items than anyone else, to assume so is to assume you know everything about everyone and nobody here does.

I also haven't seen anyone post anything attacking the owners of these items most seem understanding, so I don't get the fuss and over dramatized goodbyes, I think you should just have a cup of tea, sleep on it, and come back when you have a sound mind before resorting to quitting.

Hey a real opinion on specific powers and items.

Thank you Kenin for helping the actual purpose of this poll.

[Tony Venture]

Alright my problems mostly stem from a few items that "Grant EXP" to either the user OR OTHER people. They don't seem to state whether this EXP is for the thread only, if it comes from a player, or out of thin air. At the very least this needs to be reworded to be more clear lest someone abuse it.

Also the whole thing with "Caps" it isn't a 259 system as far as I know and thus should be removed. I don't really know what Strength 2/92 means. But since it's caps does this raise your stat cap? Is it the maximum boost the item can give? Again it isn't a 259 system to my knowledge.

I've been told by Leon that you can only have 1 set bonus at a time, so the idea that people have multiple set bonuses kind of bugs me.

Still the one that really takes the cake for me is an item that can take away 80% of MY stats for an OOC month because I betray this person. That seems incredibly unfair and spiteful out of character, punishing me the role player for a full month for playing my character how they would be played. To me it seems like preemptive grief play to keep people loyal.

[Jayr Byrne]

Id presume most of the angst is from the wording of my items. That much seems to be agreed upon so let me set the record straight.
1. None of my items give anyone permanant exp gain they are all momentary for thread use and only if they are alotted by me seeing as they are entirely charisma based.
2. The penalties/rewards for my items require you as an rper to agree to them before taking effect and just the same require me to alott them. Seeing as they were only intended for the use on npcs unless involved in a particular quest thread. They have gone unused.
3. No one talked to me about this. The only ones to ask about my items have been roth and tsubame otherwise its just plain poor interpretation.

I'm stilled peeved a bit just because I do feel attacked and id like for someone with a bit of genuine concern to take this up with me before striking harsh allegations. Otherwise I'm sleeping this off. Night

[Kenin Katashi]

Maybe cus the last time somebody tried to resolve an issue with the RPer as opposed to complaining to staff about it, we all got warnings to go to staff first. In fact, someone kinda got banned for trying to resolve the issue with the RP'er.

So obviously people aren't going to go to you with issues concerning your items. How are you going to react if someone says "I think your items are over powered and slightly unfair as far as giving you an added advantage past increasing your own stats alone."

Just the way I see it.

"The penalties/rewards for my items require you as an rper to agree to them before taking effect and just the same require me to alott them. Seeing as they were only intended for the use on npcs unless involved in a particular quest thread. They have gone unused."

Then they should be only usef for NPC's, they have NOT gone unused as Roth has been boosted in our fight thread, so to say that is untrue. As far as I know Roth is also not an NPC, so if it was intended for NPC's it should say so specifically in the item, and other PC's shouldn't get a boost. Otherwise you just proved the item to be subject to abuse.

[Mathew Amtrum]

Locking this thread until tempers cool down