Items From 774

[Mr. Kaar]

After a long period of watching, talking, and seeing the effects in use, I have come to the conclusion that I have to make a decision now befor things get out of hand.

I've had complaints, rant, and a few arguements about them, so I'm going to leave it to a vote.

alot of these items are broken and surpass quest items. If ou need examples they can be given, if you aready know of the items then you can fom your own opinions on them.

IF it comes down to them becoming nerfed, they can be sold to the shop for an amount depending on the item, if they are not to be nerfed completely, there still will be select items discussed with the owner on how to weaken said items.

[Kazuya Hikari]

I'll be quite honest, I don't know what to think on the 774 items. I do agree they are rather powerful, but I do know a lot of money was dished out for the items. I kind of do know which ones are being complained about, but I would like some examples if possible.

The only really powerful item I have from 774 is the "Ring of Defiance" and that item doesn't give positive boosts until the second last level, and that requires Kazuya to have stats in the hundred's, and that's only because I asked Ryan to make the requirements based on Kazuya's 259 stats. If I had asked him to make the requirements based on Kazuya's 774 stats, he'd have reached master level on the item already, lol.

Really, if you want my opinion, certain items that have stat requirements, well, should be reworked based on the character's current stats at 259, not the stats from 774.

[Gabriel Seran]

If you look at how much they cost in the first place they are on par with items here. People just put a lot of money into them. As far as the two ring items they were constructed under the old 259 custom item system and are no different from such. If you'd like examples or prices prior you can ask me because the "God" status items from 774 you see cost upwards of some $10,000 - $15,000

so thats a no on my behalf

Tabulated the expenses of all "3" Transfers from 774.
Donavon

• $32,053
  

Jayr

• $56,175
  
• 2 Fused Quest Items
  

Kazuya

• $1,075
  
• 1 fused Quest Item
  

Before making judgement please look at some of the items here. I'm speaking more of pre-revamp era items that are still present.

[Patrick O'Connor]

Perhaps the poll question should be rephrased, because although I know Ryan means "No they should be nerfed" If he were to vote in the poll it comes out "No they should be nerfed/No they shouldn't be allowed"

[Gabriel Seran]

thats why I put other and phrased my reply as such

[Patrick O'Connor]

Awesome d00d

[Donovan Green]

$32025... that's how much my set cost.

I had three of my other characters dish out money to the one character to make the items (as well as other players gifting me money)..so they weren't made in a second I had to upgrade several times..I joined M.Es... I worked for them..They wouldn't have been God items if I was poor... but I earned the money and therefore my items are just the result in hard work with the exception of Corey's items... and hell when I was fusing it I didn't want a positive power 'cause I knew damn well people were going to complain.

Lo and behold.

[Emil~♟]

I may be ill-informed or whatever, but how does a money issue factor into the ridiculousness of an item? If I'm not correct, certain players had money, stats, and post count transferred from 774 to 259.

I feel like this is more the issue, because it than factors into the abuse of certain items.

First and foremost, I believe a certain amount of money should be transferred over from forum-to-forum. Not the entire amount. (Maybe even have a transfer fee in future?) Because if people are seeing it as they spent a shit ton of money here, why should it even count if you didn't earn a quarter of the total amount on this forum? And this may come off as a dig, but I'll try to word it as best as possible, if these certain transfers decide to jump back to 774... Not only will they have stacked items but the money they transferred here to begin with.

In all honesty, almost 3/4 of transferred items from ANY other forum are bullshit. As a statless players, I've seen this happen time and time again for the past five-six years these forums have been in existence.

So I vote for a nerf or a total recall of these shenanigans in general.

[Jayr Byrne]

Money matters because if you put them on an even basis with other items they come out a degreee more expensive than some of the ones here. They're only "broken" because they're stacked. 774's item system was about paying for caps and then filling those caps. It was a different system but all the same still cost efficient. You compare them to the current item system here they're on par.

I paid some $6000 for a +5 exp item back on 774 the same of which would have cost $4-5000 here. I think its just the uncertainty of some folks that they've come in bulk.
3 transfers with items

Robbie, me, and lloyd.

Of the active members we were among them. Please before casting judgment talk to any of us one on one about them rather than what I only see this as a witch trial. Speakingg only from what leon put forward.

[Mr. Kaar]

This is by no means a "Witch Trial", as dramatized as that is. This is an open discussion with the people that have the complaints, the users, and the people that have the items, the users. I dont vote, I find the happy medium effect for both parties.

Also I dont know how to adjust the poll question, so we will just go with yes nerf them, and no dont nerf them.

But it is a good ploy to get people to post what they're story.

The money thing has no stance due to someone just being able to make a board, accumulate money with a friend, make items with their own system and then transfer over here.

The main issue is the powers. The stat boosts are fine.

[Mischa Badoer]

*shrugs*

I feel attacked... rather than someone coming to me and talking about my item there is this whole thread for everyone to see..if the powers were a problem I'm pretty sure it would have been easy to get the three of us into a conversation and maybe discuss a modification on the powers rather than getting other people decide whether we deserve to keep our hard earned items or not. Hell I'm obviously willing to work on a happy medium if you just put the effort in 'cause I even made it so I just had a negative effect on my god item and NO positive... I'm willing to make other people happy and avoid this kind of ridiculous nonsense.

"The money thing has no stance due to someone just being able to make a board, accumulate money with a friend, make items with their own system and then transfer over here."

And you know that isn't the case. We built that board after this one was deleted... we didn't have another board to go to so we made 774...then we posted to it like we posted to this one..and when this was brought back from deletion... we just transferred back in hopes to make the board alive again. We didn't make the board to make items and come back.

EDIT: and as Ryan said... look at the items made here. Let me make it easier for you to find one.. Alexis' boots. Those are quite godly I might ad.... do you want them nerfed too? Or is it fine cause it wasn't under 774's system?

[Veyugan ~*]

I can understand both sides of the story here.

When I was on 552, it cost me 5000$ to obtain my kris. On 552, it was, I believe 3 dollars a post, which took a fuck-load of posting to get to, even more so with my style of writing. Even coming to this board from 552, I had to scratch, bite, and claw my way just to be allowed to use it on this board. Even being able to use it, I still have to get consent, which I understand due to the rule made ex-post facto to me bringing it on the board. So, I definitely understand the frustration in having your items questioned after the amount of money you put into them.

However, I understand where the people wanting them to be nerfed stand as well. They are pretty powerful items. Even my kris, that cost 5000 only grants my character a 50% bonus to strength, and no powers.

Regardless, I voted they should keep them the way that they are.

[Mischa Badoer]

Exactly.. and different boards have different item systems.... and 774 just so happened to be made by Ryan and one of the fellow mods here. Its at par with this one.. If I wasn't an active member then I wouldn't have had such a strong item...but I'm active..i have several characters..So I was able to make the item strong.... If I wasn't as active then I would have had a smaller item then for some magical reason you guys wouldn't have had a problem with it. If you want our items to be nerfed I think that every single transferred item should be as well.

Not to mention when we transferred our items were vaulted... so we had to WORK again to get them unvaulted. I still have items to be unlocked.

[Veyugan ~*]

Eh, I don't know how I feel about the vaulted items. When I transferred, I was only able to bring one item. Just one, and all other since have been lost due to the deletion/recreation of 552. As per the rules of the board, only one item per character is able to brought to this board via transfer, so I would be appreciative for the mods/admin allowing you the possibility of reclaiming other items you had on previous boards.

[Mischa Badoer]

They do give you a chance to reclaim... you get one item transferred that isn't vaulted and the rest are... then yo have to post in quests and/or M.Es and instead of taking the reward for such threads you ask them to roll a die to which item you can unlock.

So...

Reward or choose to unlock an item.