Stats: Revamp or Ship Off

[Deleted]

My personal experience with statless systems has been this...

The winner is the more stubborn person, or the person less willing to allow their character to be touched. There's no real room for growth and no real basis who has what advantage or disadvantage. Not to mention the egos that grow from such an environment.

I happen to like the system how it is.

[Roland]

I wrote this thread to try and explain stats on my board...and since its basically the same system (with Energy instead of Charisma) most of it might be applicable, especially the first post.

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["Unfettered"]

May 23, 2008 17:20:20 GMT -8 Zack Asiv said:

I didn't say dodging was bad, I said boring.

And it doesn't nurf Dex, its still needed for who can attack faster, who moves too fast for you to see, this is when you get into the details of Wis and Int. But thats focusing too hard on them, speed is good to have and not entirely meant for dodging, why does every stat only have one use? I use each stat in at least 3 different ways a piece.

You just gotta know how to be epic.

Please read this.

Okay.

Look, this is (highly opinionated, yes), a perfect example of a good balance between RPing and Stats. Essentially, I screwed up on my stats, but I'm still having one helluva time fighting Bastille, and hell, unless I pull out my Qi, I might actually lose (in which case, I'd be able to outlast her in terms of Constitution).

Yes, the terms of statistics are not drawn out, sure, Bastille constitution probably shouldn't go that far, but the point is to have fun, and make each other look as good as possible, no?

We got the whole 'dance around' thing going, I'm the one who's taking the hits, she's the one who's dodging.. yeah. Sure (My statistics were, up to 2 days ago, inaccurate, but I continue to play as if I had 17 Dexterity). Not too much of a difference, but enough to give Bastille here a good chance. But, she take a few of the hits, and she takes the hits hard.

Honestly, things look fine the way they are. It's a happy medium (if not clearly defined) between Stats-Rp and RP Fighting-Rp. And as long as no one's being an ass about it... it's all just good fun, ja?

[Keith]

Also, another thing I noticed. All statless Xin boards except for Hircine usually die out in less than a few months. Many people have wondered why that happened. Take Hargrove for example. I really liked the board a whole lot. I felt it gave me the environment in which I could experiment with a diversity of characters. In short, I really liked Hargrove Academy and I think Mathew and Ziare did a very good job with it.

But, there were factors in play that was out of their control. The thing I have noticed with Xin RPing, while Xin itself has an international fanbase, the fanbase pales in comparison to Heroes, Naruto, Bleach, Firefly, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Rent (Yes Rent, the musical), and everything else.

The Xin RPing base is much smaller. While Xin's RPing community is closely-knit, in most cases they tend to be closed off from one another. There are actually two communities: the stats and the statless. From what I saw and noticed, the statless Xin RP community is smaller than the stats community.

For every 1 statless Xin RPer there's 2-4 stats Xin RPer. One could say that the statless Xin community is relatively small. Also, in most cases neither side is willing to crossover. I said "most cases." There are the few that are willing to crossover.

The prime example of neither side willing to crossover would be the ongoing grudge between Varron/Hircine and 552. I do regard Hircine, 259, and Hargrove as true Xin boards than 552. Those boards remain true to the essence and substance of Xin. 552 does not.

Anyway, I felt Hargrove had the strongest potential to be a statless board that could rival Hircine. However, the statless Xin RP community is smaller than the stats community as I had explained earlier. Anybody that's RPed on Hargrove would notice that most of the members came from Hircine. I myself barely saw anybody that came from the stat boards.

The only non-Hircine peeps I saw were Ally, Mikey, John, Cliff (not Fryman), Chris (wasn't really active on Hargrove), Ghiste, Jyo, and a few others.

In short, Hargrove's member base got cannibalized by the activity on Hircine. In the OOC threads, many of those that RP on Hircine said that they would RP on Hargrove to relax.

If 259 did away with stats, of course we'd get people from Hircine, which is not bad. But, 259's member base would end up getting cannibalized from within.

The only way a 2nd Xin statless board would work would be new members. Before you can do that, you have to go out and educate prospective new members about what Xin is all about. At the same time, you have to educate them on what your board is about. Plus, if you use Xin physics, you'll have to educate them on Xin physics in combat.

You have to come up with a good presentation. That does not happen over night. It takes a lot of patience, dedication, and careful planning.

[Aureus]

You mentioned this to me before, but I really don't see the point of comparing Xin to any major TV show or anything like that. And again, I really think people need to stop making Xin RP boards. Good points overall though.

[Zana]

XIN is a flash (obvious) and the others are out there in the world somewhere- T.V. and such. If XIN were on television and such it would be rabid too!



I agree with what one of the posters said above with the whole "i'm not giving up and i'll win" type mindset. It's true- and one needs to take into consideration that the person who tries to make statless RPing more realistic: AKA, actually giving their characters a lack of energy over time, taking considerations into body size, mass, weight and strength, structure of movements- etc.

Uh.....I don't have much more to say. XD This board is addictin as hell though! Got drawn back three times.

I vote for REVAMP or elucidating the limits of the STATS in post...form?

[Keith]

May 24, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -8 Aureus said:

You mentioned this to me before, but I really don't see the point of comparing Xin to any major TV show or anything like that. And again, I really think people need to stop making Xin RP boards. Good points overall though.

Thanks.

The reason I compared Xin to anime, games, etc is because those RPBs are fandoms. Xin RPBs are fandoms in themselves. Not many people are going to join unless they know the material.

For example, I'm not familiar with Harry Potter. I've only seen "Chamber of Secrets." But, that's not enough to help me get familiarized with the material. So, I probably wouldn't join.

Before I joined Alphabet City, I had to familiarize myself with Rent. The RPB is a fandom of Rent.

In this case, all the different Xin boards are fandoms of Xin itself.

Having a bunch of Xin boards isn't bad... But, it is bad if all of those Xin boards are doing the same thing. A good Xin board takes time to make. Also, you have to add your own twists and ideas to it. In short, you have to give your own perspective of Xin. Many of the Xin boards that die within less than 1-3 months fail to do so.

[Alex Baker]

Hehe. And to think this all started because of my posts =P

Personally I`m for stats. I often use them to compare to other players stats to determine actions. Example time:

Let`s say I`m fighting you Aureus. Alex`s dex is 20 and yours is 40. So if you would "Dash towards me with all your speed and try to head butt me in the chest" I would have a very hard time dodging. Not saying it`s impossible, just that it`s very hard since your speed is twice mine.

So yeah. I use stats to give myself an idea of what I can and can`t do. This has probably been said before but I didn`t read the last 2 pages =P

[Aureus]

From the way John's framed it, it's more what you can and can't do...in relation to the person you're fighting. In that way it's kinda relative with no real concrete idea. Though it works well enough, especially now that he's defined what a noticeable difference in stats is: 10.

[Alex Baker]

But wasn`t this the main problem? 10 is a noticeable stat for John, but may not be for others. In my opinion, if I have 15 strength, and an opponent has 10 strength, I am noticeably stronger then him. If I have 60 Strength, and my opponent has 55 strength, then the difference is neglectable.

This again is just my opinion, which was the main problem here. Everyone sees stats differently.

[Aureus]

I dunno, 10 to 15 doesn't seem too bad to me.

[Zana]

Well- the person with higher stats would win in a brute force contest. 5 is enough to turn the tides noticeably. But then comes the CON and DEX.

The person with 55 should hit more, or at least one punch more, to beat the 60 STR person, who would punch less (of course they have equal CON and DEX)

[Sean Barker]

*FISTFACE*

Jesus, shut the fuck up about this already, I'm revamping it.

[Sean Barker]

You want fuckin revamped? I'll give it to ya.

Str: If you have 10 your a fuckin pussy, can't lift shit, don't even dream about pickin up that twig, you'll pull a groin muscle.

Compairison: If you have 10 less than your opponent you suck. if you smash into their defence you will gain NO ground at all.

Dex: if you have 10. Lamer. Your not only slow, I'm surprised you call that a run. Get off your lazy ass and pick up the pace you turtle. Fat ass.

Compairison: If there is a 10 difference between you, you wont even be able to keep up with the dust left in their tracks., their yawns move faster than yours.

Con: if you have 10. Dude look out, that fly mite land on you. No I can take it. -land- OMG MY ARM, WHY?!?! DEAR GOD WHY?!?!?!

Compairison: if you have a 10 difference you mite as well give up now, because there is no way your going to last as long as this tough mother fucker.

Wis: if you have 10. Good luck, I think that pencil rolling across that desk just moved faster than you can see. Your either blind, or stupid.

Compairison: (To opponents Dex) If there is a 10 difference, just bow down and swear loyalty to your new master, for you have just been made his bitch. You can't even see his eyes blink.

Int: if you have 10. Just restart the game. For real, make a new character, no one can actually be this stupid.

Compairison: (To your attacks) if you have a 10 difference. You wont be able to counter any moves, you will never know whats coming at you even if you can see it. Your attacks have no effect on your opponent, they can see right through everything you do.

Cha: if you have 10. You have little to no charm, and girls or guys very much dislike you. Your aura is weak, if you can have a Qi with 10 it must be the ability to breath.

Compairison: (To opponents Int for charm, or Charisma, for Qi) if there is a ten difference, your not swaying this person to your side, or making a relationship, your doomed to fail. If there is a ten difference for Qi attacks, your opponents Qi demolishes yours. Not only does yours have no effect, but it even makes your opponent stronger somehow.

[Aureus]

-_- What the hell did I say last night...MULTIPLE TIMES? You didn't have to do this. *Mumble*